Get hold of a mates car with a tow-ball and hire a car trainer from Hirequip. It's a lot cheaper than you think and means that you avoid any risk of being pulled over. Plus it means that you keep other road users safe from what is an uninspected car.
And before everyone starts saying "but we shouldn't have to do that", no you don't. But if you don't then be prepared to be given a ticket and have to defend that in Court.
Jazz I think the key word is "should" which I would not be satisfied with. I would want a definite answer.
cocabowla,
Nov 7, 6:45pm
i'd say they always ticket you because you are so obnoxious about it at the time.
drew2009,
Nov 7, 7:24pm
LOL it makes me laugh how so many people seem to think that all police officers are good reasonable people, and so long as you play nice everything will be fine.
The fact of the matter is there are some good reasonable officers out there, but there are even more assholes, who will try and play dirty childish games, and write tickets willy nilly with no consequence to them whatsoever.
I think there needs to be a system in place where officers are punished for writing a certain number of wrong tickets that are defended, Same with criminal convictions. Rather than being rewarded for writing as many as possible. There also needs to be stricter controls around protocol and prisoner rights as well but thats another story. Under the current rules the cops can basically do as they please with you and frankly i don't see how anyone with that amount of power wouldn't abuse it. The government policy is as much to blame as the police.
owene,
Nov 7, 8:41pm
Why does that make it legal - or are you suggesting that a towed vehicle is exempted from the road traffic act!
pauldw,
Nov 7, 8:50pm
Does it! The AMI vehicle cover here http://www.ami.co.nz/Documents/Policy%20documents/AMI%20Vehicle%20Policy.pdf doesn't mention warrant at all. It does say that if you operate the vehicle in a damaged or unsafe condition you won't be covered unless you can show that the vehicle condition didn't contribute to the accident. They can get you on that even with a WOF.
owene,
Nov 7, 9:24pm
Totally different policy. I'm not willing to argue about this mate, I know what my position is and if yours is different then that's your business. The OP asked a question and got a wide range of answers, none of which really answer him. Pointless debating it further really.!
offrd1,
Nov 7, 10:01pm
Yeh right so i would some how have to get to Nelson to do all this [150k's away ] not everyone has car trailers or a car transporter to get a vehicle to get a warrant,not everyone can pop down the road and hire or obtain transporters, that is bloody ridiculous.We don't all live in the city
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 8, 12:25am
Well said drew.
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 8, 12:33am
Quite right.
1. The Police should not be enforcing a law that dosn't exist 2. There are many situations like you pointed out where this is impractical.
We have to be especially careful in economic times like these as a collection of silly things like this can become a poverty trap for those who are struggling.
$150 to get the car towed to a WOF garage is definitely a budget breaker for many families, even Hiring a trailer if they have another car to tow it at $75 is a stretch.
This causes them to "risk it" then they wind up with a $300 fine, then they cannot afford the WOF or Licensing and things start to spiral out of control.
With laws and enforcement there is a simple test to keep things fair. All you have to do is stand back and ask yourself "is this law or the way we enforce it making things better or worse for the public at large".
Its so important not to get caught up in the semantics and forget the spirit of the law/process.
holden95,
Nov 8, 1:06am
Personally I have have been told some of these to get off getting tickets: "I getting it fixed at the garage" faults like ball joints and brakes listed on WOF checklist "i am on my way to the garage it is booked in" Simply not true in a lot of cases "I am just testing it" "Hey man its a tax" "I'm a solo mum and cannot afford it" "It's not my car" "its all good it has not faults" "i am allowed 28 days after it expires" "Just give me compliance" You name it I have heard it. Simply if it is expired it is expired "The defence is that it was on the way to get a wof, (booked in) however most cars that are susposedly booked into a garage are also unlicenced and will not get a warrant anyway. Police are there to enforce the law not descide if you are guilty of the offence. If a primia facie case exists you will be issued a ticket, you have a right of defence as your rights on the back of the ticket explain. If you don't lodge a defence in 28 days you get a reminder that you have another 28 days to pay. If you dont pay or lodge a defence then the matter goes to court and you need to deal with the district court. If you lodge adefence the infringement bureau decide if the ticket should be withdrawn or that it should stand. Then you can still defend in court. Why should the cop on the road side have to ring garages to check that you have your car booked in.
arandomusername,
Nov 8, 1:10am
If it's being towed on a car trailer - then yes it is exempt.
arandomusername,
Nov 8, 1:12am
At least I'm offering solutions instead of sitting on the internet winging and blaming everything on the police
pauldw,
Nov 8, 1:22am
There are defences available for driving to get a warrant, what are your chances of a ticket with a trailer that overloads the tow vehicle and/or it's towbar!
Your biggest danger with no WOF is getting a ticket while parked.
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 8, 1:35am
Because thats the most efficient, fair and cost effective answer. We are also only talking about one garage not ringing half the phone book. They even have their support team ready and waiting to make the call for them!
For the sake of a 30 second phone call the cop wastes further time and tax dollars writing a ticket. The person getting the ticket wastes time writing in. The Police waste further time, stationary and man hours deciding whether to waive the ticket. If it then goes to court the Police officer wastes a LOT of time and money if they have to appear, then there is the judge and their support team wasting money. do you see where this is going!
The Police officer is not the Pope, his time is not worth more than anyone else's. There is no reason he/she can't quickly call and end the matter there and then.
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 8, 1:38am
I am not blaming "everything" on the Police at all. However in this instance the attitude of some Police is definitely to blame.
Good Police should support issues like this being reviewed. Just think how much better their job is going to be if they can quickly verify if someone really is using the vehicle for the purposes of obtaining a WOF. Its Win/Win.
They get to feel good about having a pleasant interaction with a member of the public then, and don't have to face the unpleasantness of treating someone unfairly an all that goes with it.
ema1,
Nov 8, 1:49am
I stand corrected then thanks crzyhrse, at least I'm man enough to admit that .cheers.
offrd1,
Nov 8, 1:57am
Will admit here our cops are pretty good being country cops they have a bit of give and take,they would just check and see you are booked or tell you to get it sorted BUT always a but,we get the Nelson highway patrol here and they are to put it mildly w**kers even the local cops get pissed with them [ yes they have told me ] makes it very difficult for them as they get tarred with the same brush and they quite often need locals to help them[ we are quite remote ]
owene,
Nov 8, 2:06am
Gawd this thread has been twisted and turned into all sorts of irrelevant issues! Having been charged with no WOF and having appeared before a court, I can categorically tell you all that you can take a vehicle to a garage for a WOF but that you need to be able to prove that your were doing just that. The only proof that a court will accept is an afidavit from the garage confirming that you had an appointment.
Otherwise, spout as much as you like about the police but they are doing their job and I fail to understand why some of you are claiming that the police make up the law as they go. The law says that all vehicles on the road must have a WOF and unless you can prove beyond any doubt that you were taking it to a garage to get a WOF then you're barking up the wrong tree.
It's simple and is very black and white. Go ask a traffic lawyer if you still disagree.
ema1,
Nov 8, 2:11am
WOF's i guess aren't 100% foolproof either. & often proven.good point! Are you in the insurance industry by chance crzyhrse!
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 8, 2:44am
This is a problem nation wide. Its such a shame that the good cops get tarred with the same brush and many of them get fed up and leave which makes things worse again. Its in everyone's best interests to give the Police as a whole a good sort out regarding policy and procedure so that they can once again have the respect of the community.
arandomusername,
Nov 8, 7:34am
I agree. What seems like a fairly minor issue has been blown out of proportion. All the latest surveys indicate that confidence in the police is at an all time high, sure they make mistakes but they are one of the most trusted police organisations in the world and they deserve our support.
It's good that people want to be involved with how police operate, but the tone of many of these posts is negative and antagonistic. Seems like some people have an axe to grind and use these boards as a vehicle to try and damage the police's reputation.
pollymay,
Nov 8, 8:14am
Must be proportionate to stupidity.
klrider,
Nov 8, 12:59pm
So you were told you would be given the oppurtunity to get it warranted but you are not happy! hard to please some. Seems like a fair way to deal with it.
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