Speak out before Police Stupidity costs more lives

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trogedon, Sep 28, 10:53pm
Jazz. Stick to the one incident you opened with. Anecdotal stories about other tangential issues don??
thejazzpianoma, Sep 28, 10:59pm
Fair point, I will try my best.
msigg, Sep 28, 11:11pm
Why not put money into having a doctor on site 24 / 7 like there should be.
trogedon, Sep 28, 11:36pm
Someone has already said that in a previous post. If there had been another doctor capable of refitting the tube then there would not have been the driving incident.
callum.irvine, Sep 28, 11:43pm
As others have mentioned, from the current road code

"Doctors, nurses or midwives on urgent business may use a roof-mounted green flashing light. If you see these, you must pull over and allow the vehicle to pass."

If Doctor had used one, surely the problem wouldn't have happened.
kazbanz, Sep 28, 11:47pm
BINGO-FINALLY-- thank you thank you thank you.
SOMEBODY has finally hit on the real guts of the issue.
The doc speeding,the cop pulling him over etc are symptoms of a BIGGER issue.
Jazz--you have it SO WRONGas to the real issue.
There actually Might be enough money currently in the health "system" now to actually pay the people that MATTERif it wasn't so totally loaded down withg idiotic beuracracy.
We are in the 21'st century yet all hospitalswithin New Zealand aren't linked together by a universal computer system--WHY!
Incidently this can mean as many as 3 sets of new clinical notes per patient.
We within ONE CITY have 3 individual heath providors -ALL WITH THEIR OWN WEIGHT OF MANAGEMENTTO BE PAID.
lets not get more doctors and nurses--we after all NEED that middle management level at every hospital.-(tui anyone)
Simple health issues aren't being dealt with at GP level so by the time they get to the hospital theycost the country 10 times what they should do.
So YeaFIX the HEALTH "system" and the doc wouldn't need to be speeding cos he'd already be there
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bob1088, Sep 28, 11:53pm
agree with jaz - more common sense needed - flashing light on Drs car is a good start.
trogedon, Sep 28, 11:57pm
But Kaz Jazz's original post is still valid as there will always be specialists who are dealing with individual patients at critical times.
trogedon, Sep 28, 11:58pm
Very easy for scum to imitate though.
net_oz, Sep 29, 1:43am
AND DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE PAPER ASGOSPEL! Seems to me like you do mate. And you're saying we're all puppets of government propaganda. Who said it was 5 minutes! We all know that in certain situations, especially emergency ones. it seems to take forever for something to happen when in actual fact it isn't. This work of yours here is just cop bashing from you. Shame
thejazzpianoma, Sep 29, 1:51am
If only I was only going on the article.
I have seen enough of this kind of Police stupidity first hand to write a book. Call it what you like, until we draw attention to whats going on we can't fix the problem.
Sadly many "enablers" like yourself realize there is a problem only after suffering a first hand experience.
shelleigh, Sep 29, 1:54am
Emergency personnal need a way of identifying their own vehicles are being used in an emergency.
However I would hope I would obey the speed limit Jazz because, even if it were my child whose life depended on getting to the hospital urgently, I wouldn't want others' lives put at risk.
thejazzpianoma, Sep 29, 1:55am
Also, we shouldn't be trying to pre-empt and legislate for every possible situation we can think of just so Police don't have to use any common sense.

This same situation could easily arise when a civilian is rushing urgent medication to a family member or any of thousands of similar scenarios and you can't legislate for them all.

Bottom line, people are dying and suffering because the Police are not using common sense and making sensible decisions.
berg, Sep 29, 2:01am
Go on, write ya book. The wee small amount of respect for you has now gone.
dr.doolittle, Sep 29, 2:02am
So, should I get a Great Wall ute or a Hilux! Ops.wrong thread.
shelleigh, Sep 29, 2:06am
Jazz I find that comment about ghoulish cops extremely offensive!
I can not imagine any cop taking any joy in seeing anyone in pain caused by someone's irresponsible driving.
People need to take responsibility for their actions. People know what the speed limit is so they only have themselves to blame if they get a ticket for speeding.
There is no excuse for putting people's lives at risk - ever!
gunhand, Sep 29, 2:15am
Emergancy service workers volunteers etc are not allowed to break any laws on the way to fire station ambluance station or where ever. If we crash on the way we are up shit creek just the same as any one else. However most cops once you have indentified your self (the uniform tends to do it) let you on yur way. Unless your being a complete twat. And as for ambos being well trained drivers you would be shocked at the distinct lake of proper trainning we get as far as driving goes.(costs money) Sure there are many good drivers and more than a few who rely on luck rather than good driving to get them where they are going. Many get the "red mist" when the pager goes off and turn into complete loons.
And I thought doctors had provision for green lights as well. I think it may be a grey area tho.
Oh and being able to do 130kph is not a right but is a defense if something happens. You will be investigated till you cant sit if you crash.
pollymay, Sep 29, 3:50am
The point is they don't have to, they are issuing a ticket not attending the scene. My suggestion is if they have nothing better to do than write tickets and have to give one out how about saving lives while "saving lives". By that I mean rather than being on ticket duty then thinking nothing else of it spend the 10 minutes forging a path with the lights and setting a safe pace for the doctor to follow. To me that's logical and would possibly give them back the time taken with silly ticket writing by clearing traffic and making it safer for the person to get there.

From there they can do what they want, go back to writing tickets, doing skids in the cop car, I don't really care but if there is an urgency the police siren and lights make things faster without even having to speed cause it clears traffic quite well. Does a hell of a lot more than a ticket would and they set the pace for what they think is safe, win win.
weaver2010, Sep 29, 4:59am
Nope its Green and they also have to undertake an advanced driving course.Anyone who drives under emergency strobes has to undertake a Driving Course even in this country.

Edit:- Except Ambos from what I just read
weaver2010, Sep 29, 5:04am
Disagree with you 100% on this and the reason why is because have been in that situation and if you want to twist the article to your agenda go for it.
klrider, Sep 29, 2:10pm
And yet, this time the guy did not get a ticket! Seeding driver pulled over, confirmed he was OK to drive and who he was, driver let go, at speed to continue, good policing I think. Hmmm, wonder who has lost the common sense!
klrider, Sep 29, 2:12pm
The point is you dont know what you are talking about, there was no ticket issued. And they let the guy speed to hospital afterwards, what more could they have done!
johnf_456, Sep 29, 2:16pm
Very true it went for me a while ago, the amount of crap one goes to justify breaking the laws of the road.
lovemore_mbigi, Sep 29, 2:26pm
The "legally imposed speed limit" is an arbitrary number developed by a committee of shiny trousered bureaucrats.

If the speed limit was [say] 18 kph - would you still say that a medical professional racing to save a life should have been pulled over by some flat-headed revenue collector with a quota to meet for a time-wasting Hello-Hello-Hello me-got-badge-and-gun social exchange!
dajoki, Sep 29, 2:30pm
I thought the "friggen" problem started when the person was being turned over in the bed. I am surprised that you are not rarking them up as well, or is that in another thread. Considering what was wrong with the patient and why that person was in hospital, the "life" chances were not very high anyway. Blaming the police for any delay is a crock-a-crap.