Speak out before Police Stupidity costs more lives

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kmacb, Sep 30, 3:36pm
Well said, and one more thing.Don't forget it was the doctor in the wrong here.He was speeding.Legislation provides for medical staff to have a single flashing green beacon to alert other traffic they are responding to an emergency.Great, lets bash the police for doing their job without realising the doctor was not following the rules.Had he had his green light, would he have been stopped!Not likely.
jamstew, Sep 30, 4:16pm
I just don't see how a man needs to go through an emergency driving course to go fractionally over the speed limit to (what was believed at the time) save a life. Sure the driver could have been a horrible driver, but i have seen some shocking police driving, and they exceed the speed limit at will.its not as dangerous as the big scary men on tv say, the reality is, 100 is just a number, generically applied as a speed limit to all of our open roads. sometimes it is the maximum safe speed. sometimes it is not. Now i am not saying we can all speed just because we believe it is safe, i am simply saying that traveling at 118kph, in the hands of a driver who is conscious of his vehicle and surroundings, is not dangerous if the road and conditions permit. And i think the cop should have given him the disco lights and dance tune right to the front door of the hospital, because if our police are not for assisting in saving lives, they aren't a very good police force at all. Don't get me wrong, there are some fantastic police out there, but there are some that need to be reminded that sometimes saving lives is more important than following procedure to the letter.

Also on the idea of joining the police, it appears to me now that they are not really interested in people that would make "good cops". It seems they are trying to balance the proportional amount of ethnicities into the force, and bring the age of the force down. so a fantastic applicant might not get in, instead it's someone that ticks the boxes.

Sorry if this came out garbled, it's many thoughts in one post.
thejazzpianoma, Sep 30, 4:17pm
You are missing the point entirely. Whether the Doctor was in the right or wrong is irrelevant. What matters is the Police Officer delayed life saving medical attention for 5 minutes for the sake of handing out a minor traffic ticket.
Why is that so hard to comprehend!
gunhand, Sep 30, 4:43pm
Poor bit of reporting on this I feel. So many facts probably left out it wont be funny. A rude and aggressive doctor! yep reckon that would be about right. Many ER/on call doctors have a God like complex and think there above everyone else. Many are lazy bitching moaning sloths who couldnt give a rats arse about patients. I wonder why some choose to continue in there profession sometimes.oh yea yea it the huge money they get for doing bugger all. People die all the time due to lazy doctors and poor diagnoses on there behalf. Oh they will sit on there arse and finish there tea while some poor sap lies dieing waiting for them. Then they moan about it.
As for the doc saving this life in particular assuming whats writtin is true it would have been highly unlikely. And no doubt he would have been bitching and moaning to himself all the way to the hospital for being interupted again.
I take it Hut Hospital has no on call (at the hosptal) ER docs. This is more the problem than the cop doing his job. Ive seen on call docs take 30mins to walk across the road from the house they stay in when called upon.
jamstew, Sep 30, 4:44pm
+1. I do worry about people's priorities if this is a motoring forum, and people think procedure in a traffic stop is more important than the possibility to save someones life.
weaver2010, Sep 30, 4:55pm
How was the Cop to know who the person was!He saw a motorist doing 118kph and was doing his job as a Law Enforcement Officer!The Motorist he saw was doing above the legal limit.So the cop enforced the law until the matter was made clear.
Had the Doctor had DOCTOR sign written on the car with lights he probably would have been escorted.Then again he would not have been stopped.

The fault lies in the Medical sector not in the Police Force in this case.
weaver2010, Sep 30, 4:57pm
I think it is you missing the point!

Cop did his job the Doctor and the medical care caused the incident.
weaver2010, Sep 30, 4:59pm
Wrong!Some of us are more rational in our thinking and can see the larger picture.
jamstew, Sep 30, 5:27pm
ok then, you go and think you are right. i would rather you think me wrong than side with a ridiculous outlook on what is important in life. (or death)
weaver2010, Sep 30, 7:33pm
One does not put themselves or others at risk to save someones life that may or may not be already lost, without weighing up the risks.

If the patiant had been in the car with the Doctor then yes a differant story, but they were not an the Doctor took a risk.The risk was being caught for speeding and potentially putting at risk other motorists with the Potential for poor driving.None of us was there to witness what happened the Cop did his job as he saw was correct.

You soon would have been jumping up and down if the cop had continued to eat his Dounuts and sip his coffee while the car the doctor charged on with red mist obviously glowing of the doctors self importance into the path of an innocent motorist or pedestrain.
thejazzpianoma, Sep 30, 7:39pm
Unbelievable!

You talk about weighing up risk yet declare the relatively tiny risk of being 18km/h over the limit as being the greater risk against preventing a Doctor from getting to his dieing patient.

I am flabbergasted that people like you have been so brainwashed by the media and its effect on social norms that you can no longer weigh up risk in a logical fashion.
thejazzpianoma, Sep 30, 7:43pm
I am beyond worried, this attitude and its prevalence is very scary.

We need to stop the Police and Government manipulation of society that causes this behavior before things get right out of hand.

Society stands to lose its biggest asset, the ability of its citizens to think for themselves.
thejazzpianoma, Sep 30, 7:45pm
How on earth do you come up with logic like that, it makes no sense at all!!
*facepalm*
weaver2010, Oct 1, 5:03am
Would you expect a firefighter to run into a burning building because they are trained to do so and have fantastic protective gear!

Your right you have no idea and your charge into another thread claiming police incompetance shows that.
weaver2010, Oct 1, 5:04am
Oh and before you snip a post go with the entire paragraph next time.
thejazzpianoma, Oct 1, 5:25am
weaver your posts have gone from making less sense to no sense and are not far off incoherent jibberish.
weaver2010, Oct 1, 5:29am
Sounds like you have lost your arguement with a reply like that.
thejazzpianoma, Oct 1, 5:33am
Not at all, its just impossible to rebut comments that don't relate to the thread or previous posts.
Perhaps you should come backwhen you are not under the influence of whatever it is you have taken. and we really do hope you have taken something.
weaver2010, Oct 1, 6:00am
Ok thejazzpianoma lets go through the story.

Doc O'Connor was driving at 118kph at just after 1am on a Saturday Morning without ID in a plain vehicle without any formal identification.

Now 1am after a Friday night your doing 118kph without ID your going to be stopped and breathalysed!

Qoute "Dr O'Connor told the inquest he could not say if the delay had contributed to Mrs Senibuli's death."

The Doctors own admission!

Qoute "Son Rangi Bell, who had returned from Queensland for the inquest, said it was frustrating not having the people with the skills there at the time."

Why no other medical personnel competant on duty in the building!
pollymay, Oct 1, 7:42am
Cause it's 1am on a saturday morning, who in the hell wants to be there at that time, of course it's a skeleton crew.

I'm still missing why the cop couldn't just lead the doctor to the hospital. He can always when he gets there go in and ask if the guy works there and that solves if he is full of shyte or not, I mean there is really no room to dick around when it comes to emergencies with people dying. If you have ever done CPR for a good amount of time it's not only the fact seconds count it's hard f*$*ing work. If a cop held someone up getting to the scene of any of the emergencies I've been in they can forget what was procedure and try to tell me why they were being such a pedantic shit rather than helping the situation. I mean they spend countless hours sitting idle when doing radar duty or whatever but 10 minutes on what may or may not be a false alarm is too much!

Without any form of ID I can see why he got pulled over, I don't dispute that but from there out I'm a bit miffed. I however wasn't there so who knows.
wpmoore, Oct 1, 11:38am
Doctor could of been held up for other reasons as well. (slow traffic, accident, roadworks etc).
In other News the UK is going to raise motorway limit to 80mph.
net_oz, Oct 1, 12:14pm
"All I want is an effective Police force that is focused on saving lives and protecting people and property. Is that really too much to ask!"

Give it a rest man. You want that, yet you bitch and moan about it when the police are doing exactly that.
I'm betting it was a friend or relative of yours that died.
weaver2010, Oct 1, 2:11pm
Well there was the problem!Also the cop was not just targeting speeding he was doing breathalysers the Doctor speeding gave hime the excuse to stop him.
The Doctor probably got of lightly had the cop requested a Drug test as well the Doc could have been really nailed.

I guess whats really being said is it is OK for someone to ignore the road rules when responding to an emergency pager!I guess that is OK for the Volunteer Fireys to floor it to the station when the call comes!No differant they have rules and guidlines to go by as well.
lovemore_mbigi, Oct 1, 2:25pm
If a cop drove through a line of little school kids waiting at a bus stop, there's a hard core of NZ lumpen proles who would wag their heads and say: "Poor guy.I agree with the police spokesman, he was only doing his duty."
weaver2010, Oct 1, 2:41pm
Funny how in this thread it is the cop getting the bashing not the under funded medical proffession.

Doctor at Fault here!Would you have heard about this if the Doctor had got a flat Tyre or mechanical fault or would he be blaming the mechanics for allowing that to happen!