Speak out before Police Stupidity costs more lives

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kazbanz, Oct 3, 2:51pm
Counter question--Would you step in if ANYONEwas getting beaten up!
And to answer your question.YES without a moments hesitation.
Its about being a reasonable human being.
weaver2010, Oct 3, 3:13pm
You should be so glad you live in New Zealand where the cops hands are so tied by nanas they can not do the policing they could do.

Try France where you can spend a night in the cells and be infront of a magistrate the next morning just for throwing a snowball.Really your complaining about the copsits not the cops at fault its the legislation they have to deal with.

Now as for your last question the answer to that would be yes!
weaver2010, Oct 3, 3:21pm
On another side note the Road Policing must be working because the Road Toll is down due to heavier handed policing of the road rules then I am all for it knowing that a dozen others do not have to pick up the pieces of that piss poor driving standard that "may" cost a life.
steve312, Oct 3, 4:41pm
You are an idiot!
Yes, I would step in to give a police officer who was getting a hiding a hand.Without a doubt, just as I would do so for another member of the public.
I applaud the Police for their self control when many of the clowns they have to deal with daily would benefit from a bloody good hiding.
It seems that the people who "hate" the police are probably the very people that are most likely to offend and squeal when they get caught.

It must be interesting sitting in on a smoko break at the police station.I guess they all sit around and compare new and innovative ways to provide them with opportunities to stop innocent public that are trying to get on with their day.
Fortunately for the police though, there are plenty for clowns that are more than happy to do dumb stuff to attract their attention.I am guessing that you probably fit that description.
pitchey, Oct 3, 5:16pm
Perhaps we can change this thread title to: "Speak out beforethejazzpianoman's Stupidity makes him post another ill thought out thread."

The salient points have been covered already but the brash stupidity of your posts in this thread nearly had my eyes rolling out of my head and made me want to post anyway. Ok then,

1. Doctor was speeding.
(Whether or not it was called for is a separate argument.)
2. Doctor gets stopped for Police by speeding.
3. Doctor tells cop. "Hey, I'm a Doctor, its an emergency, here's my pager/text message see!" (I have a pager too, maybe I could be a Doctor! Also, do you really believe that no one ever lies to the Police!)
4. Cop checks to ensure the Doctor's sober, does some checks to ensure that the Doctors on the level and he's on his way again.

The only one with any real right to complain about this is the son of the woman that passed away and HE hits the nail on the head regarding having qualified medical persons on site in this article:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5697490/Speeding-doctor-stopped-by-police
thejazzpianoma, Oct 3, 7:52pm
How convenient you missed the bit out about it taking 5 minutes to do the "checks" pitchey, it would be a shame to include the actual point of the complaint wouldn't it! LOL

It would be interesting to see how you felt about being detained for a full 5 minutes when you were rushing to save a life.
johnf_456, Oct 3, 7:53pm
This thread gets more pathetic by the minute.
thejazzpianoma, Oct 3, 7:54pm
The chasing the guy down initially part is absolutely fine and the Cop certainly wasn't to know at that point.
What is unacceptable is the Cop delaying the Doctor for 5 minutes after the Doctor explained the situation.
Simple as that!
thejazzpianoma, Oct 3, 7:58pm
There definitely should be sensible guidelines for instances like this and any other foreseeable circumstances. However, the Police still must use common sense/discretion where appropriate to ensure that peoples safety is always the first priority.

Also, any cop who is callous enough to risk someones life over the possibility of "getting in trouble with his boss" shouldn't be on the force.

I would risk my career in an instant to save a life, and decent human being would do the same.
thejazzpianoma, Oct 3, 8:01pm
Shelleigh, you are missing the the key point still.
The "checks" took 5 mintues. thats an age when someone is rushing to save a life. It should have taken 10 seconds.
dr.doolittle, Oct 3, 8:06pm
Yes it should have only taken a short time to asses the situation BUT "Mr Crumm said the constable noted the doctor was rude and aggressive and called him a bloody idiot.".
Did you 'forget' that part Jaz!
thejazzpianoma, Oct 3, 8:10pm
Why on earth do we only expect the Police to do their jobs when people are polite to them! How arrogant is that!

Just because the Doctor is angry is not a reason to put someone else's life at risk. Incidentally I think the Doctor has every right to be furious, I would be if someone was detaining me when I was rushing to save a life.
oramac, Oct 3, 8:17pm
Well looks to me like the Doctor and the Policemen deserve each other. If you don't like something, get on the backs of the politicians and get it changed. Don't have a go at the Cop or the Doc.
bruceeeeee, Oct 3, 8:20pm
If the Dr was angry then that in itself should surely been reason to prevent him from proceeding as he would have been a danger to himself and others on the road.
elect70, Oct 3, 8:32pm
Reminds me of the time rookie cop pulled up BobJones on his way to the airport to put his wife & son on a plane .he admitted speeding in his XKS jag& said to copjust give me the ticketI need to get to airport .r he got ticket he drove off & cop pulled him over again & saidI hadnt finnshed with you& proceeded withchecks on car etc .They missed the planesohe bought a civil case for unlawfull detention & won.
cybertao, Oct 3, 8:37pm
If the doctor had obeyed the speed-limit, instead of attracting police attention in a dubious manner and delayed, would he have been on site earlier!Perhaps even in time to save his patient!
steve312, Oct 3, 8:49pm
The actual "real" point Jazz is this.
How long does it take to drive from Wellington city to the Hutt as described in the initial news item!Certainly not 5, 10 or 15 minutes.How long does it take for someone to die or become brain dead through lack of oxygen!Significantly less than it takes to drive from the City to the Hutt regardless of the speed used.The only thing the doctor would have been able to do on arrival at the hospital, even without being stopped, would be to fill out the death notice.There is no need to rush to do that as the patient is not going to be any more deceased.
The real problem is the lack of suitably capable staff actually on duty at the hospital.Nothing to do with being stopped by the police or the length of the delay.
It is a shame that your apparent hatred of the police is blinding you to the facts of the incident.
thejazzpianoma, Oct 3, 8:54pm
No at all.

Your theory only works with this exact situation with information only to hand after the incident.

When a Doctor says "I am a Doctor on the way to an emergency" you don't muck about simple as that.

Why!
Because each situation is different, this time the 5 minutes may not have made a difference next time they might.

What about the health system!
Sure fix that too but it still dosn't help with other emergency situation.

You need to fix BOTH problems.

There is no "hatred" of the Police on my part. I have simply identified a problem that is costing lives and money,I would like to see it fixed. I don't see why drawing attention to a problem so that it can gain some momentum for change has to be a bad thing.
kazbanz, Oct 3, 8:57pm
You apsolutely have the wrong end of the stick.
The DOCTOR immediately started throwing verbal abuse at the cop.
Now I dunno about you butits policing 101 in my book that someone who is immediately abusive and behaves in an aggressive manner has something to hide.
thejazzpianoma, Oct 3, 8:59pm
Dosn't matter, the Cop should have still given the benefit of the doubt given the possible gravity of the situation. No reason why he could not follow up and sort it later or follow to the Hospital.
steve312, Oct 3, 9:02pm
Seems to me you only have a hate complex reserved for our Police Force.

Even the doctor stated at the inquest that he couldn't guarantee that the delay contributed to the womans death.

The whole matter could have been sorted a whole lot faster if the doctor was carrying his identification like he should have been.

I certainly wouldn't take the word of someone with no recognisable ID, claiming that they were justified in breaking the law at 1am.Most reasonable people would do some checks to ensure they were receiving the true story.
thejazzpianoma, Oct 3, 9:35pm
Oh my goodness. how many times does it have to be pointed out.
Whether the speed of the doctor getting there was ultimately a factor in the death means nothing. NOTHING. I even pointed it out in the very first post!

All that matters was the Dr was speeding to an emergency that "could" have been time dependent on someone surviving.

By your logic if the coroner had found the delay caused the death we then would have been justified in being outraged. Which would be equally ridiculous as the ultimate outcome should actually not have any bearing on whether the Police did the right thing or not.

The same logic would also mean attempted murder is fine but murder is not.

The end outcome of the patient is irrelevant.
steve312, Oct 3, 9:44pm
The doctor caused the delay, not the police.

The doctor was speeding.

He failed the attitude test by being arrogant, rude and obnoxious when stopped.

He had no ID and expected to be taken at his word.

He would not have been stopped if he had been displaying a green flashing light.And probably would have been sent on his way without delay if he had been able to produce credible ID.

I still fail to see where the Police were in the wrong.
dr.doolittle, Oct 3, 10:15pm
I GET IT NOW JAZ!
"All that matters was the Dr was speeding to an emergency that "could" have been time dependent on someone surviving."

Just like the Dr 'Could' have had a puncture. I which case we blame the tyre manufacturer or the city council for not sweeping the road.
It 'could' have been anything that 'could' have caused a 'potentially' life-threatening delay. So Dr's are God-like to you & can do no wrong.
Now I understand where you're coming from, or 'could' be coming from.
steve312, Oct 3, 10:19pm
LOL.

Couldn't have put it better.or maybe I "could"!